TE coach Pete Mangurian won't return to Patriots

Was he miffed that Bill O'Brien seems to be on the fast track to the OC job?

Jeez...talk about a mass exodus.

As far as Offensive Coordinator goes.....it seems like Brady could call the plays himself.....not that you don't need anybody to help game plan. Either way i just hope they stop lining up in that damn goal line power I formation on 3rd and short. You know...the play that almost always ends up in a 2 yd. loss!

Luckily I could have much worse complaints.

Go Pats!

Ben Coates?

Was this move prompted by him or the team?

wow this just keeps getting better by the day...soon we will have a whole new coaching staff and Belichick will be going crazy trying to manage the show. although, maybe we do need a new tight ends coach since we haven't gotten much production out of them over the last couple years. i wonder if Pioli would be willing to trade Tony Gonzalez to us for maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick. could you imagine the combo of Moss, Welker and Gonzalez ? that combination would be lethal with Brady at the helm.

Hi Dave. I'm not sure of the specifics, but Mangurian was head coach at Cornell from 1998-2000 and new Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Raheem Morris was one of his assistants. So I'd assume that the move is based in part on that connection.
--Mike

I'm not sure how much of a loss this is. Daniel Graham and Ben Watson were both high draft picks and they never got much production out of either of them.

Might have been time for a change anyway.

Just like Brad Seeley -- if Belichick thought he was *that* important, he'd still be here.

TE's haven't done much since Graham left so I'm not surprised

OH Well another one goes!Next!!!

Ben Coates or Mark Bavaro,either would be fine with me!
I concur that those two picks were overreaches.
Both had their merits, but neither were the complete package.
When Graham left the dominance
of the running game, as it was,left with him.
Denver's has improved. Coincidence ?

Teams all start to get stale and recognizable when the same coaches are there for a few years. This opportunity for a new staff of coaches will bring some fresh ideas and new looks that will improve the team and the team's spirit. Now we just have to find these new replacements. But Belichick knows everybody in this business and he likely has already decided who he will hire.

how about the ball boys? the water boy? my stomach can't absorb this anymore. are there anymore rats in the house? CHANGE IT IS! PATS WILL GO THRU ALL THIS! GO PATS 09!

The Patriot Way and Patriot Place were Kraft's marketing tools. Looks like people are starting to catch on--it never was true or real. Just money for Kraft. LOL

CP

Your comments totally contradict the stats this past year. The Pats were one of the strongest teams in the NFL this year, while the Broncos, who historically have an outstanding running game, had just an okay year. Please think before you make an idiotic comment. Plus, how many games was Graham actually healthy during his time with the Pats?

Yes i agree with one of the bloggers....sign Ben Coates or Mark Bavaro plus ...how about this for a QB coach Steve Grogan or have him do something with the offense.

Maybe the next guy can soften the stone hands of Ben Watson

Despite all of this, it looks like the Pats are now favorites for next year, according to ESPN.....I guess nothing matters as much as having Belicheck and Brady on the field.

This is not a tragedy, although it is ultimately up to the players to perform at a high level, the position Coach is responsible for facilitating their development. It has been a few years since the Patriots have had anything consistently threatening in their tight ends. I have found Ben Watson to be particularly disappointing. As many have already stated Ben Coates, or Mark Bravaro would be a good fit for this coaching position

Losing Daniel Graham was a big mistake.

Had no problems in the Red Zone when he was around.

Their could be a couple of years hickups at (particularly) the offensive coordinator
position. It was that wat when Weiss left as jm learnt the ropes. I wouldn't be
surprised if Bill picked up a veteran coach in the interim to keep continuity and
move the youn coach along. Their getting cheated on the draft as they did in the
playoffs. Their the odd man out in the playoffs so why shouldn''t that translate a
consistant higher pick than the teams that made it.? NFL should eliminate
division titles and therefore allow more of best records into the playoffs. A title
that doesn't have to be played for is not a title.

So....?

CP-
The Denver Running Game was always good becasue of their o-line blocking scheme, not because of a tight end who was a good blocker.
Wake up!

When Graham left, the running game stopped dominating??? They ran the ball extremely well this year. It was their saving grace and masked a lot of their weaknesses by shortening games and protecting the defense. The whole key is keeping that line together, though I would like to see Light moved to the other side and a bigger tackle in his place on the left.

TE coach? So is he responsible for teaching Ben Watson how to hold onto the football? Watson's ball handling skills seemed to have regressed this year. BB may have asked this assistant to take a hike.

On the plus side it looks like Charlie and Romeo will be rejoining BB soon...

OH NO!!! Now who is going to teach Ben Watson how to stink!?!?!

Is BB still at the SR Bowl? Odd timing to say the least. Hope BB isn't getting spread to thin. However No one would have even known Thomas played this year if he didn't have the late hit at indy. As far as our run game. Josh played the burst back first. I thought we ran much better when we pounded first then brought in change of pace back. Our run game is the WR's screen and short passes. Heard that lately? By the way Light gets out on blocks for the screens better than anyone. Just watch other teams try it. He does get beat by speed rushers lined up outside of him at times. Here’s to hoping the players see all the coaches leaving as a challenge they’re up too.

Their could be a couple of years hickups at (particularly) the offensive coordinator
position. It was that wat when Weiss left as jm learnt the ropes. I wouldn't be
surprised if Bill picked up a veteran coach in the interim to keep continuity and
move the youn coach along. Their getting cheated on the draft as they did in the
playoffs. Their the odd man out in the playoffs so why shouldn''t that translate a
consistant higher pick than the teams that made it.? NFL should eliminate
division titles and therefore allow more of best records into the playoffs. A title
that doesn't have to be played for is not a title.

yes Denver Was a good running team with their well coached borderline/dirty chop blocks/ cut blocks led by the worst of all Nalen..u wake up

Mangurian has been with a lot of pro teams. His value goes way beyond TE position. Morris has known him since he first started coaching a decade ago--made a wise choice.

I don't buy the fact that Mangurian is leaving because he is upset about being passed over for the OC post. He is not a candidate for the Tampa OC job so my feeling is that BB wants to make a change at TE's coach. Mangurian was always a stop gap coach whom BB never had ties with, I believe he hired him on Dan Reeves recomendation. The Pats have 3 talented coaching assistants and it's time for them to step up in BB's eye. They are:
Josh Boyer
2000-2003 College Graduate Assistant, 2004 Defensive Backs
Coach at Bryant, 2005 Defensive Coordinator at South
Dakota Tech., 2006 to present NEP Defensive Coaching
Assistant

Brian Flores
Former B.C. Linebacker, 2004-2005 NEP Scouting Assistant,
2006-2007 NEP Pro Scout, 2008 to present NEP Special
Teams Coaching Assistant

Shane Waldron
Former Tufts Tight End, 2002-2004 NEP Operations
Assistant, 2005-2007 Notre Dame Graduate Offensive
Assistant, 2008 to present NEP Coaching Assistant

Boyer will probably be the secondary coach, Waldron will coach the TE's and Patricia will move from LB's to WR's so he can be groomed for the future. Flores will then step up to coach LB's. It's been reported that Scott O'Brien has already accepted the ST job. This is of course pure speculation on my part but I figured I'd take a shot at it since there is no news on this anywhere.

Strong work Nikos. Of the names Josh Boyer, Brian Flores and Shane Waldron -- all coaching assistants in recent years -- it would not be surprising if at least one of them finds his way onto the staff as a position coach. This is something that was mentioned in the Patriots mailbag on Boston.com this past week.
--Mike