Derrick Burgess perspective
A look at some links that offer different perspectives on the Patriots' acquisition of Derrick Burgess:
ASSESSING THE VALUE OF THE TRADE: Now that the terms of the trade are known, my feeling is that the Patriots traded a bit more than I expected. The Raiders did well to acquire two mid-round picks for a player who entered the last of his contract, and didn't project as a starter for them. I think back to 2003 when the Patriots acquired nose tackle Ted Washington for a fourth-round pick, and Washington entered the last year of his deal. Washington wasn't a three-down player, and I'm not sure Burgess is at this point in the Patriots' scheme. On the flip side, my sense is that the Patriots were willing to pay the price because they feel this is the one piece that could put them over the top. On a stacked roster, the pass rush was their main weakness. They've now filled it. It also probably helped that Burgess is on the books for just $2 million -- good value for a player of his caliber -- and they have three second-round picks next year, so those mid-round selections could ultimately be replenished.
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Mike,
Is it safe to say that Burgess will be getting a new contract from the Pats either this summer or next March? I can't see them trading a 3 and 5 away for a one year rental.
Don't forget also, that if the CBA doesn't get renogtiated, Burgess is one more possible free agent departure, lending the pats flexibility to be active in free agency under the new restrictions.
Hey Mike,
Would you be able to put together a projected depth chart before the first pre-season game, and then another one at the end of pre-season to compare?
Mike,
Lombardi seems to be sticking by his story that the Pats traded a 3rd in 2010 & 5th in 2011... Yet you seem to report that they agreed to a 3rd & 4th/5th in 2010...
Have the trade terms been released officially?
let the games begin and God, please, keep #12 upright in the pocket for the whole year. amen.
I think a 3rd and conditional 4th will be fair if he puts us over the top to win another superbowl. In 5 years from now, all that matters is if we won 4 or 5 superbowls this decade. Go for it!
The Pats probably felt they needed to overpay b/c they were not the only suitor. Philly was in the mix and the Pats probably had Burgess pegged as the best option out there to fill the need. With the high number of 2nd rounders and first year players on the team this year, they probably don't need a plethora of picks next year.
Now let's get Carter signed...
Burgess fills a glaring need on this SB contending team, so it's ok if the Pats over paid a bit for him - they fleeced Oakland on the Moss trade, so maybe this makes up a bit for that.
Hi HH. I think highly of Mike Lombardi. We have different terms, which sometimes happens. I feel extremely confident that there isn't a 2011 pick involved.
--Mike
I heard the deal is a 3rd and conditional 4th. If the Pats get a 5th round pick somehow (which they probably will - they gave their's up this year for Alex Smith), then the Raiders get a 5th rounder instead of a fourth.
let's assume Bill B. finds a 5th rounder before April... so, Mike, 3rd & 5th is worth it to win now...
Burgess is a great pickup....Congratulations Pats fans.....
they've been so stocked with picks last year and next year that there was a risk of oversaturation of rookies
I'm fine with trading a couple away for a good OLB
hopefully he works out and they can resign him
Patriots are becoming Raiders East. Since they started grabbing disgruntled Raider players starting with Moss they haven't won the Super Bowl. Grabbing Raider players is a curse not a blessing.
Wow, pats have 3 2nd round picks? thats good
No one player brings you to the SB. He will surely conribute, but he plays only 20 or 30 snaps a game. We need other OLBs and ILBs to step up.
tt, are you serious. Since they started grabbing Raiders, they lost the Super Bowl on a fluky catch by Tyree and a terrible corner named Hobbs (did he come from Oakland). Then the next year, the best player in all the land blew out his knee and they started a guy who hasn't been under center since high school. Yes, they missed the playoffs but still won 11 games with a backup QB. Your point is lame.
tt, c'mon now, that's just superstitious nonsense. The Pats came oh so close in 2007 because of Moss' contributions not in spite of. In 2008, after losing their team leader, which always affects a team, they still pulled off a decent season. Try to be Mr. Glass-is-half-full eh?
Mike,
How has Paris Lenon been playing, do you see his role as an every down ILB?
I think the Patriots received good value on this trade. If we take a look back to the 3rd and 5th round picks of 2006 (giving the 2 year developemental period) we see Thomas and O'Callaghan, two players who have never made significant contributions and may not even make the roster this season. For a proven player like Burgess who can provide an immediate impact, that is a good trade off.
Only 53 guys can be on the team. With this years deep rookie class there will not be very many openings next year. Unless of coarse we let all the upcoming free agents walk. I will be surprised if more than 4 or 5 rookies make the cut next season. We still have a 1st round and three seconds, so...
the Raiders they've been taking have been offensive guys, and the offense has been great
it's their defense that's sucked
Mike R... I agree with you, giving up those two picks was too much. He's not a great pass rusher anymore and is not someone who puts the pats over the top.
If he is on the field for 10 games this year I will be surprised. More than 4 sacks I will be stunned.
TT, Cherry-picking players off another roster doesn't mean you're getting the dregs of what they have to offer. I'm sure BB could look at the Lions roster and find a dozen guys who would be upgrades in New England. From Oakland, we've taken Moss who's value can't be questioned, Walter who appears to be a talented guy previously stuck in a bad situation and now Burgess, another talented vet in a bad situation. Granted that ignores Fumbles Gabriel...
My only question is whether Burgess will come in and play hard under his current deal. With his FA pay-day just 1 year away, I hope so...
Mike
I know it's impossible to say for sure, but from what you do know about how the Pats do business, do you think the Pats have even mentioned extension to Burgess, or are they just worried about this year?
Mike - When does he show up at camp and is there an expectation that the Pats will need to give him a new contract now, or that he'll play under his current contract?
This is brilliant. First, he sounds like a great player. Second, no way we overpaid because the struggle next year (and this year) will be trying to keep roster spots open for developing players. With three 2nd rounders this year and three next year, we need to keep spots open for them to contribute. A third round pick in 2010 would be nice... but in an uncapped year even greater focus is going to be on filling the 53 man roster with the best talent, and less about managing salary cap.
Nice to see a Steeler fan show some class (post # 12). May the best team win :)
Mike,
I think it's a fair deal, you have to look the whole picture, the Patriots had competition because the Eagles also offered a 3rd pick. The raiders and everyone knows its a need for the pats. So I think it's a fair, and glad it was done.
"Since they started grabbing Raiders, they lost the Super Bowl on a fluky catch by Tyree and a terrible corner named Hobbs "
...And uncontested dropped interceptions by Samuels and Merriweather (Of course that season no one seriously expected Merriweather to catch anything).
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