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Hockey: Super 8 seedings

Posted by Chris Forsberg, Boston.com Staff February 22, 2008 06:00 PM

As we prepare for tomorrow's Super 8 seedings meeting in Franklin (2 p.m.), here's one man's opinion of what might unfold.

Much like we did last year, we're going to strive to be at every single moment of the Super 8 tournament, capturing all the action on the High School Sports Blog and taping all the highlights for relaunched Super 8 Central.

Also, we'll have live updates in this space tomorrow afternoon during the meeting. Stick with us for all the latest from Franklin.

We admittedly didn't see as many regular-season games as we would have liked (blame the Patriots' question for perfection in part for that), but here's what we've gleaned from everything we've seen and read this winter:

The locks

1. Catholic Memorial: Do we even need to offer a reason here? The Knights were clearly the best team in the region this winter and, once again, they're the clear-cut favorite entering the Super 8 tournament. Now, we thought the Knights were a wrecking ball last year when they rumbled into the tournament at 14-2-2, so there's always upset potential.

2. St. John's Prep: Two wins over BC High make the Prep a virtual lock, even if they only mustered one other win in Catholic Conference play. Heck, that was good enough for second place in the league. The Eagles can score in bunches (ask Waltham or Austin Prep) and have a rock-solid goalie in Kyle Pettoruto to compliment.

3. BC High: Can we just point out that the Eagles, defending Super 8 champs, entered last year's shindig with a 12-4-4 record. This year? They're 11-4-5 and boast a goalie who's only given up more than two goals to St. John's Prep in the new year.

4. Reading: That 20-1 record sure is glossy, but color us skeptical until the Rockets win a Super 8 game. Last year was a massive disappointment after Reading, seeded sixth, lost three games in round-robin play by a combined score of 15-5. As one person in Reading told us recently, "The Rockets are a little better this year, so who knows what could happen?" It's true that Reading brings back much of its talent, but will they emerge as true contenders this year? We'd feel more confident if the locals were telling us they were, "a lot better" this winter.

Pleading for top 6 seeding

5. Waltham: The Hawks probably wish they could hit the reset button on a couple of games this winter. A loss to Westford back on Dec. 19 won't help their cause tomorrow, nor will a 1-0 blanking at the hands of Medford on Feb. 13. But their only other loss came at the hands of St. John's Prep (a lopsided defeat at that). Taking home the Cape Cod Classic title, punctuated by a shootout victory over Austin Prep, will help the Hawks as well.

6. Hingham: This year's Weymouth? We'd say there's far more hype about the Harbormen than Weymouth enjoyed at this time last year. I remember a lot of "wow"s when the Wildcats earned the fifth seed last February and I don't think it'll surprise a lot of folks to see Hingham seeded in top 6 this year. Some struggles down the stretch (falling to BC High, tying Duxbury), as well as a midseason loss to Waltham, might leave the Harbormen fighting for that top seed, but a convincing win over the Prep certainly helps that cause.

7. Malden Catholic: Take away a late season hiccup against St. Mary's of Lynn on Feb. 12 and the Lancers are probably a slam dunk for a top spot, right? They boast quality wins over teams fighting for Super 8 berths (Westford, St. Bernard's, and Xaverian), while also skating to two ties with BC High. But don't let the number in the loss column fool you. Remember that the Lancers also lost two games to Catholic Memorial, one to the Prep, and one to Rhode Island's Bishop Hendricken. Not too shabby.

8. Needham: Yet another team that would love a mulligan. The Rockets had ripped off 12 straight wins before enduring a shocking 1-0 loss to Chelmsford Wednesday night at the Cahoon Tournament. Skating to a tie with Hingham will help their cause, as will playing a one-goal game with BC High. But a 2-0 loss to Xaverian certainly begs the question of whether Needham deserve a berth over the Hawks, a team fighting for one of the last spots.

Plan for a play in... at best

9. Xaverian: The Hawks stumbled their way through a 2-5-1 month of January, falling to BC High (twice), Westford, Malden Catholic, and Catholic Memorial in that span. On the positive side, the wins included a 3-0 blanking of St. John's Prep (one of two wins over the Eagles), and the tie came in the rematch with MC. The Hawks finished up the regular season strong and many considered Friday night's scheduled matchup with Coyle-Cassidy a potential Super 8 play-in play-in at the South of Boston Shootout in Bridgewater. Mother Nature preferred to keep us in suspense as the game has been canceled due to the weather. That leaves the fate of the Hawks up in the air, just like...

10. Coyle-Cassidy: Unbeaten in its last 17 games, you could make the case that no one has played better or more consistent hockey (other than CM) than these Division 2 upstarts. The Warriors put themselves on the map with a 2-1 upset of BC High back on Feb. 6, but there's not a heck of a lot to go on besides that. Even coach Dave Borges admitted that he thought the lone reason his team was still being considered was a potential matchup with Xaverian. A win there could have vaulted his team into a Super 8 play-in game. Undoubtedly, fellow competitors in Division 2 South are rooting for Coyle to land a spot with the big boys (even if it's just temporary).

11. Westford Academy: Another team that tripped up against Chelmsford late in the year (those Lions were party crashers for Super 8 contenders in a winter otherwise dotted with struggles). The Grey Ghosts also let one slip away when they gave up a late goal against Winchester Wednesday night at the Irish-American Shootout. What's working in Westford's favor is a win over Andover earlier in the week, along with triumphs earlier in the year over Waltham and Xaverian.

12. St. Bernard's: As a Central Mass. native and someone who spent too much time in Fitchburg, I'm quietly -- yet objectively -- rooting for the Bernardians. As champs of the Catholic Central League, they'll get plenty of consideration from the committee. We're simply not sure the resume will support their candidacy. The positives: Undefeated in February, the Bernardians have won eight straight. Earlier this season, they also skated strong against Malden Catholic before falling, 3-2. But there's no eye-catching win on their schedule, What's more, they're probably not the best team in Central Mass. (that's reserved for 15-1-4 Gardner, who dropped the Bernardians, 6-3, in late January).

Hoping for a miracle

13. Austin Prep: Shootout win over BC High at Cape Cod Classic (it's a tie in the books) looks nice, but late-season loss to St. Bernard's really hurt them. If the Bernardians aren't getting in, neither are the Cougars. They also fell to Westford earlier in the year (handily, too).

14. Andover: Falling to Westford (a common theme in these miracle teams) on Monday night pretty much sealed the Warriors' fate. Andover also tied its previous two games (against Central Catholic and Arlington). Even with wins there, we're not sure it was enough to gain Super 8 consideration.

Forsberg's picks

So, if someone asked us to put together the Super 8 seedings, here's our best guess (with teams 7-10 not seeded by winning percentage, as they will be following the selection meeting).

1. Catholic Memorial
2. St. John's Prep
3. BC High
4. Reading
5. Malden Catholic
6. Waltham
7. Hingham
8. Xaverian
9. Needham
10. Westford Academy

The only debate, in our minds, comes down to whether Coyle-Cassidy did enough to play its way into the tournament. A single win over BC High probably isn't enough and Westford gets the nod based on wins over Waltham and Xaverian.

We're excited for tomorrow's meeting and we're excited for the tournament. We look forward to bringing it all to you.

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13 comments so far...
  1. FYI-MC didn't lose to Waltham

    Forsberg's response:

    Fixed that. Meant Austin Prep, but had MC on the brain.

    Posted by Mark Driscoll February 22, 08 06:53 PM
  1. Weymouth was the 5th seed last year....not the 6th seed.

    Forsberg's response:

    Updated. Nice catch.

    Posted by Joe February 22, 08 07:41 PM
  1. Xaverian beat ST johns Prep twices. 3-2 on the road and 3-0 at home.

    Posted by Joe x February 22, 08 07:43 PM
  1. Great Job Chris I hope you'll be at every game.

    Posted by James February 23, 08 12:14 AM
  1. I think Austin Prep has a better chance than you think. They did lose to St. Bernard's but also beat them two other times. The loss to Westford does hurt them but finishing with ties to two Super 8 locks will help. (And the CCL always get one team in usually.)

    They are a stretch but I think not as much as a stretch as you think...but I could be biased being an alum. :-)

    Forsberg's response:

    The more I think about it, the better I think either AP or St. Bernard's chance are. They'll get credit for coming out of that league. If St. B's wasn't so red hot right now, I'd think AP's chances were better.

    Posted by Adam February 23, 08 09:23 AM
  1. Austin beat St. Bernards twice this year. Finished strong in the Falmouth tournament.

    Posted by Brian February 23, 08 10:06 AM
  1. If Austin were to get in Westford Should be right there to. They Beat Austin 7-2.

    I think it will come down to Waltham Vs. Needham and Westford Vs. AP/st.B's

    Posted by Johnny February 23, 08 11:26 AM
  1. There is someone already posting the Super 8 teams on the sports disscusion Hockey Top 10, I thought the meeting didn't start until 2 p.m.?? He said that it started at 9 a.m.?? And he already has the teams that are in???? He said in this order the teams are 1) CM 2) HINGHAM 3) SJP 4) BC HIGH 5) MC 6) READING 7) NEEDHAM 8) WESTFORD 9) WALTHAM 10) XAVERIAN Is this possible???

    Forsberg's response:

    This is the state coaches association's watch list. We'll have an entry on it shortly. The real meeting isn't until 2 p.m., rest assured.

    Posted by John February 23, 08 12:02 PM
  1. A 2 seed for Hingham is a bit high (6 or 7 may be more realistic), but no EMass Public plays as tough a schedule (Springfield Cathedral is toughest) year in, year out. Reading and Waltham try to do likewise, but weak conference teams hurt their profile. Check out ushsho.com/marank... The picture becomes pretty clear.

    Posted by ben james February 24, 08 09:37 AM
  1. Not even one team made it from the Catholic Central? granted the Catholic Central was a little on the weak side this year but Austin was better than Westford and even Needham. Austin's only downfall was the embarrassing 7-1 loss to Arlington Catholic in the first meeting. In the second meeting we tied Austin 1-1

    Posted by AC Cougars February 26, 08 08:25 AM
  1. Is the Coyle-Cassidy/Xaverian Game going to be made up? Anyone know?

    Forsberg's response:

    No. Now that teams are in the postseason, the game is canceled.

    Posted by Keith Cogan February 26, 08 01:28 PM
  1. Now that the play in games are over, the brackets are finally settled. The bracket with CM, BC High, Reading, and Waltham is pretty ridiculous. CM has looked phenomenal all year, with a few close games here and there, but BC High is lucky St. John's Prep isn't in their bracket. I went to the first game St. John's Prep played this year down in Hingham, and watched the Harbormen dominate St. John's all game. They could most definitely be this year's Weymouth. The Prep has the best shot of coming out of their bracket on top though. They have been getting better as the season went on, and the veteran presence of Pettoruto in net and DiCarlo and Prior on the attack, I don't see the Eagles going down easily to anyone in that bracket. This is the year The Prep pulls it out.

    Posted by TylerSJP February 26, 08 02:21 PM
  1. FANTASTIC!

    Posted by rinyPoisy April 11, 09 04:26 AM
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