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Prospecting, part 2

  April 24, 2008 02:51 PM

While lounging here watching the Sox bullpen take gasoline and a match to what should have been Justin Masterson's victorious debut, I figured I'd post this long-promised sequel to my look back at the 2002 Baseball America Prospect Handbook. The first part, including a capsule retrospective of the Sox's top prospects from six years ago, can be found here. And yes, Kevin Youkilis really was ranked 28 spots below someone named Seung Song.

The number in parenthesis is that player's rank within his own organization's top 30 prospects, according to BA. Let's restart this with a fun one, and if there are other teams you'd like to see, well, I suppose I do take requests . . .

NEW YORK YANKEES
Phenoms:
None. And somewhere, Hank Steinbrenner read this, rattled off a string of expletives, and drop-kicked an intern. He's the best.

Flops: 3B/QB Drew Henson (1), LHP Brandon Claussen (3), OF John-Ford Griffin (4), RHP Adrian Hernandez (13)

. . . and those lingering somewhere in between: 1B Nick Johnson (2), OF Juan Rivera (5), LHP Sean Henn (6), OF Marcus Thames (7), C Dioner Navarro (19), LHP Chase Wright (24)

Six years later: Ah, Henson, the rich man's Chad Hutchinson . . . One of the most touted prep athletes ever, I suspect he would have made it had he picked one sport (football, probably) and stuck with it . . . I'd love Lloyd Carr's honest assessment on who he thought would be the better quarterback when Henson and Tom Brady were sharing the Michigan QB job eight years ago . . . Hernandez, a Cuban defector, was supposed to be the next El Duque. He turned out to be the next Ariel Prieto . . . Rivera and Thames are basically the same player, a righthanded-hitting corner outfielder with above-average power and not many other attributes . . . Johnson was a very good hitter before his limbs started falling off . . . Navarro, now on his third team (the Rays), may still make it. He's only 24 and hit .285 with eight homers in the second half last season . . . Chase Wright looks like he may become the closest thing in Yankees' lore to Bobby Sprowl.

OAKLAND A'S
Phenoms:
1B Carlos Pena (1), RHP Aaron Harang (16), RHP Rich Harden (21)

Flops: RHP Chad Harville (3)

. . . and those lingering somewhere in between: OF Eric Byrnes (2), 2B Esteban German (4), SS Bobby Crosby (5), 2B Mark Ellis (6), RHP Jeremy Bonderman (7), LHP Neal Cotts (14)

Six years later: Harden just blew out an eyelid while reading this. May need reconstructive surgery, out 4 to 6 weeks . . . Sadly, the same lame joke could be made for Crosby. Both have looked like stars when they are healthy - Crosby was the '04 AL Rookie of the Year, and Harden may have the best stuff of any starter in the league, as the Sox saw in Japan - but neither one of them can stay on the field. Crosby hasn't played more than 96 games since his rookie season . . . Was Pena's improbable 46-homer breakthrough for the (Devil) Rays last season for real? Actually, I tend to think it was. He was more productive in Detroit than he got credit for, sometimes it takes some players longer to grow into their ability, and no one's ever questioned his desire. He'll never hit for a high average, but 35-40 homers in '08 seems realistic . . . Harang is a fantasy baseball bargain and a workhorse for the Reds, winning 32 games for a lousy team the past two seasons and taking the NL strikeout title in '06 . . . I haven't read "Moneyball" in a few years, but I seem to remember Billy Beane having a fit after the A's took Bonderman in the first round in '01, and the A's dealt him (along with Pena) to the Tigers barely a year after he was drafted. He has the reputation as being a top-of-the-rotation starter, but he's not: his career ERA+ is 93, and he's had an ERA below the league average just once in six years . . . Few seem to notice, but Ellis is a darned good player, an excellent defender with some pop (he hit 19 homers last year) . . . Byrnes is baseball's version of Jeff Spicoli - actually, scratch that; he'll never out-dude the Weaver brothers - but he's turned into a pretty productive everyday player after spending most of his 20s performing like a big-boy version of Darren Bragg.

SAN DIEGO PADRES
Phenoms:
RHP Jacob Peavy (3), LHP Oliver Perez (10)

Flops: 3B Sean Burroughs (1), RHP Dennis Tankersley (2), RHP Ben Howard (6), 2B Jake Gautreau (8)

. . . and those lingering somewhere in between: OF Xavier Nady (4), 2B Ramon Vazquez (9), RHP Justin Germano (21), SS Jason Bartlett (23)

Six years later:
Obviously, Peavy never would have made it if he hadn't started going by Jake. That's way more befitting of an ace . . . I don't think much of Omar Minaya as a GM, but getting the enigmatic Perez from the Pirates two years ago for Xavier Nady may turn out to be a masterstroke. At age 22 in '04, he struck out 239 and had a 1.15 WHIP in 189 innings for Pittsburgh. Even with his control struggles in the following seasons, you don't trade an arm like his for a so-so bat like Nady . . . The Padres dealt Vazquez, along with Jay Payton and David Pauley, to the Sox for playoff hero Dave Roberts in December, '04. He was brutal (his OPS+ was 23) and in July he was mercifully sent to Cleveland for a better and more expensive version of himself, Alex Cora . . . Burroughs's power apparently peaked in Little League. In over 1,500 big league at-bats, he slugged .358 . . . The Padres got Tankersley from the Sox for the mummified remains of Ed Sprague in June, 2000. He went 1-10 with a 7.61 ERA in 27 career games - including an ERA of infinity after giving up seven runs without recording an out in his lone appearance in '03. So, yes, I guess you could say he tanked. (Groan.)

TORONTO BLUE JAYS
Phenoms:
RHP Dustin McGowan (4), OF Alexis Rios (8)

Flops: C-1B Josh Phelps (1), OF Gabe Gross (2), OF Tyrell Godwin (10)

. . . and those lingering somewhere in between: C-1b Jayson Werth (3), 2B Orlando Hudson (5), OF Eric Hinske (6), RHP Brandon League (7), C Kevin Cash (9)

Six years later: Phelps, a lanky, scatterarmed catcher with middle-of-the-order power, was supposed to be the next Dale Murphy. Turns out he hit more like Dale Arnold, though he has had occasional if hardly prolonged success (he hit 15 homers in 265 at-bats in '02, and has a career OPS+ of 112. He's in the Cardinals system now . . . It seems like Rios - aka The Next Dave Winfield - has been around for a decade, but he's just 27 and a prime candidate for a huge spike in performance this season . . . Hinske won the Rookie of the Year in '02, but he's stagnated since and got a ring as a just-happy-to-be-here sub on last year's Sox. Surprisingly, he's off to a monster start with the Rays, with five homers and a .727 slugging percentage in 55 at-bats. I didn't think he'd be in the majors this year . . . I'm probably overrating the post-Tommy John surgery version of McGowan, but he strikes me as a future ace every time I see him pitch. The results haven't been there yet, however . . . Cash might be the most overmatched major league hitter I've seen since - well, who, Creighton Gubanich? - but he gets a thumbs-up here for sparing us from another season of current Amato's sandwich artist Doug Mirabelli.

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I'm not saying Macha is the most boring broadcaster I've ever heard, but I bet when he can't sleep, he solves the problem by talking to himself for a few minutes.

17 comments so far...
  1. Middle relief is really hurting the Sox right now. Where does Masterson go from here, back to Portland or to Pawtucket?

    I was impressed with Craig Hansen's stuff last night. He pitched aggressively and ahead of the hitters. Something the maddening Jon Lester did NOT.

    I really like Dustan McGowan, too. Sean Burroughs is an all time salami bat. He made Scott Cooper look like Barry Bonds. I forgot about Adrian "El Duquecito" Hernandez.

    I remember wanting to throw up in my mouth about Dennis Tankersley thriving in the SD farm system and becoming a top prospect after the Sox traded him for Ed Sprague. If I remember correctly, in 2000, "Andro Eddie"was so futile for the Sox, they briefly brought in Sean Berry to play 3B, who lasted all of a game before being released.

    Posted by KF April 24, 08 05:49 PM
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  1. KF has it right about middle relief, and I am very worried that too many are toast (Timlin) or just another of those maddening bullpen guys who are great one year, terrible the next (MDC, Lopez). Hansen looked like the pitcher we were promised in 2006, despite the one misplaced fastball. I hope Theo and the braintrust don't hesitate to bring him up if the bullpen doesn't improve.

    As for Masterson, I don't get sending him back to Portland. He was already set to go to Pawtucket soon anyway; after a great ML debut, they should have rewarded him by letting him test his stuff against AAA hitters and get ready for his next opportunity. I'm not really sure why he's pegged as a reliever or middle of the rotation starter, I saw an ability to get grounders a la Wang PLUS strikeout stuff.

    I'm really glad that he didn't go to Minnesota. In fact, with the views we've gotten of Masterson and Lowrie, everyone should be glad that the Twins didn't go for either of those offers.

    Posted by Dan April 24, 08 07:15 PM
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  1. Guess we've got a lot to thank Drew Henson for, now that you mention it ...

    I'm actually impressed Eric Byrnes has managed to keep going as long as he has. Somewhere in between, indeed.

    Liking the new digs so far, Chad. Dare we hope for more quantity/frequency in your new home?

    Posted by andrew April 24, 08 09:23 PM
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  1. I'm definitely trying to post more, Andrew, which is one reason why I'm not doing the Fox column this year. Boston.com hasn't asked me to do more, but I feel obligated, and to be honest, a little more inspired.

    Posted by CF April 24, 08 09:55 PM
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  1. Macha actually is pretty insightful, but man does his voice lull you to sleep. I'm yawning just thinking about it.

    Byrnes has been semi-successful. Though I can understand some of the sentiment of the somewhere in between. I mean I don't think anybody can take him seriously after the"not touching home plate then shoving Varitek" stunt in 2003....ooo just thinking about that makes me remember how much I hated the 2003 Oakland A's.

    Posted by Mysterious Lurker April 24, 08 10:55 PM
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  1. " The Padres got Tankersley from the Sox for the mummified remains of Ed Sprague in June, 2000. He went 1-10 with a 7.61 ERA in 27 career games - including an ERA of infinity after giving up seven runs without recording an out in his lone appearance in '03. So, yes, I guess you could say he tanked. (Groan.)"

    this is hilarious. thank you.

    Posted by John Godfrey April 25, 08 07:11 AM
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  1. Middle relief is always a crapshoot from year to year. Sometimes a team will put together a setup/closer tandem -- like Oki and Paps -- but generally speaking, bullpen performance is extremely variable. The Sox go through a period of experimentation and sorting in the first couple months of every season. Usually, they work out a decent combination, but only after a certain amount of pain.

    Love the Macha baseball card. I'm sure the picture was taken in spring training, but how apropos for an Expo to have absolutely empty seats behind him.

    Posted by johnw April 25, 08 11:51 AM
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  1. Chad, was a loyal follower of your old blog, psyched that you have this forum now, congrats!

    Hansen and Masterson will play big roles in the pen by early second half of the season at the latest. Heck why cant we just call Hansen back up next week and at least dump Aardsma who cant throw strikes consistently? Or Brian Corey, I assume/hope his stay will be a short one this time.

    Posted by Jeff April 25, 08 12:32 PM
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  1. Chad - I remember that Peter Gammons was all over the Sox for the Sprague/Tankersley trade. He predicted that it would look as bad as the Bagwell for Andersen trade. I never did know what happened with him - I remember that the Marlins had a Tankersley on their pitching staff, but it wasn't Dennis. Thanks for solving THAT mystery.

    Posted by EC April 25, 08 01:29 PM
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  1. I think Tankersley's in the minors for the Nats now. He just couldn't throw enough strikes. It's amazing that he was once rated above Peavy.

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/dennis-tankersley.shtml

    Posted by CF April 25, 08 02:02 PM
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  1. Chad, on the new blog site can we still occasionally bash a Former Blogger Turned ESPN Columnist (who I'll refer to as FBTESPNC) when he writes ill informed articles like he wrote today about Rajon Rondo? Not sure what he's been watching, but the premise is Rondo's finally playing well and blooming.

    Rondo's only in his 2nd year and he's been quite good since January, thanks for finally watching, FBTESPNC. I wouldn't call these two playoff games his coming out party. For someone who acts like he's Mr. NBA, I don't understand how FBTESPNC missed Rondo's very good regular season play.

    My favorite part of Rondo's game is his rebounding ability for a PG.

    Posted by KF April 25, 08 05:44 PM
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  1. As to other earlier comments - usually, quality middle relief is a byproduct of your starters pitching deep into games. It tends to hide the weaker spots of your pen. As long as Cy Beckett gets healthy and stays that way and Dice-K can regularly go 7+, this Sox team should make the playoffs again. (A day off now and then wouldn't hurt either)

    ps - Love the increased productivity

    Posted by Sven April 26, 08 02:32 PM
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  1. Anyone remember watching Eric Byrnes almost drown his dog during the All-Star game? He's not quite on the scale of Michael Vick, but he's an idiot of the first order. His baserunning sometimes makes Manny look sane on the bases.

    Posted by Dave B. April 27, 08 07:30 PM
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  1. Jeff - Aardsma's been the best and most reliable middle reliever they have since the beginning of the season - I see no reason to get rid of him, in fact, I think he and Tavarez are an underrated duo that have come through whenever the team has needed them to step up. I would even dare say that they both have been more valuable than Okajima.

    Posted by Lyndsay April 27, 08 07:55 PM
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  1. in fact, I worry about Aardsma going down due to injury from being overrused this early in the season - he's had his fair share of innings and has saved many games so far from getting out of control when Delcarmen and Okajima faltered.

    Posted by Lyndsay April 27, 08 10:32 PM
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  1. I like Aardsma's arm, but he needs to cut back on the walks - 11 in 13.2 innings this year, 66 in 109.2 innings in his career. That's not going to cut it against good-hitting, patient teams, no matter how hard he throws.

    Posted by CF April 27, 08 10:51 PM
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  1. I DO remember that one, Dave, in fact when he showed up as a commentator on Fox for the World Series I was like, "isnt that the guy that thought it would be funny to throw a dog off his boat in San Francisco bay?" I remember Joe Buck being particularly concerned. you could tell from his voice that he was thinking, "PETA's gonna have a field day with this one."

    Posted by Lyndsay April 28, 08 02:16 PM
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About Touching All The Bases Irreverence and insight from a New England sports journalist who still cares like a fan. You can e-mail Chad at chadfinn4@yahoo.com.
contributor Chad Finn is a sports copy editor at the Globe and the founder of Touching All The Bases. Before joining the Globe in 2003, he was the assistant sports editor at the Concord (N.H.) Monitor for nine years. He was twice named N.H. Sports Columnist of the Year, and won several state, regional and national writing awards, including an APSE award for column writing in 2000. He lives in Wells, Maine, with his wife Jennifer, children Leah and Alex, and a cat named after Otis Nixon.
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